Tactical diagramming 2
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good questions:
1) any good team would get intell from a neighbor or a family member and get a rough layout of the property.
and 2) I would never advise a hasty breach unless it is the last choice. But by then, if Intell is doing thier job, the team should have tactical knowlegde of the floorplan.
1) any good team would get intell from a neighbor or a family member and get a rough layout of the property.
and 2) I would never advise a hasty breach unless it is the last choice. But by then, if Intell is doing thier job, the team should have tactical knowlegde of the floorplan.
They say that hard work never killed anyone, but why take that chance ?
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well, in a combat situation (and I have been in a few of them) we had "fall-backs" . If we suspected that the dwelling could not be breached without lossing an asset, we would call for direct fire. We are not in the bussiness of "losing" a soldier to a lucky shooter.
And a good CO will not intentionaly place his/her soldiers in a situation that cannot be managed. Almost any structure can be breached...even a jail ! yes, my team breached a jail complex in Iraq....what a B I T C H that was.
And a good CO will not intentionaly place his/her soldiers in a situation that cannot be managed. Almost any structure can be breached...even a jail ! yes, my team breached a jail complex in Iraq....what a B I T C H that was.
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I do think that a team should be able to enter a structure without prior knowledge of what the inside looks like, or even the outside for that matter. Although every attempt would be made to avoid situations like that. This is important because often structures don't look like you thought they would inside.
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one other thing that I noticed: All that was shown was a house. In ANY situation, even rapid response...you would have some INTELL ! When SWAT or any police agency arrives at a scene, they have some intell to work with and develope a plan. Someone had to call 911 and report a situation that merited a SWAT Team deployment. Is the subject alone or is there a hostage(s), kids, so forth; is the subject armed ? if so, with what ? is the subject male or female, age , race? Do we have a name? is there drugs involved.
Simple things like that can make all the difference in developing a way to render the situation in a favorable way.
Simple things like that can make all the difference in developing a way to render the situation in a favorable way.
They say that hard work never killed anyone, but why take that chance ?
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absolutly. Give some intell on the situation and see how each poster reacts. Usually you will have some subject info, disposition and if there is any threat of hostages and/or weopons. Also, we will have witness info, such as what they have seen/saw/heard.
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Ok I got some candidates.
Supermarket stand off
Caravan park with barricaded suspects where 4 caravans have to be cleared
Hostage situation in a TV station
Hostage situation in a Convention centre
Home Invasion
Arrest warrant for a "freeway sniper"
Which would you like to take on first?
Please note it will take me quite a while to get one of these scenarios up as it will take me time to get pics and write the briefings down.
Supermarket stand off
Caravan park with barricaded suspects where 4 caravans have to be cleared
Hostage situation in a TV station
Hostage situation in a Convention centre
Home Invasion
Arrest warrant for a "freeway sniper"
Which would you like to take on first?
Please note it will take me quite a while to get one of these scenarios up as it will take me time to get pics and write the briefings down.
semper acer , semper velox , semper trux , semper promptus
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Here is the thing guys. I think this is an great way to train, but I doubt I will be giving my two cents worth. I don't mind discussing individual tactics, and to an extent two man team tactics. However I don't feel comfortable breaking down how law enforcement might handle a mass incident, due to the fact that I believe this information could get into the wrong hands.
Basically I don't mind discussing tactics, but I am more reserved about discussing strategies. I would consider setting up one of theses scenarios. However I am too busy at the moment to do one. I have been training law enforcement officers all week on how to deal with an active shooter situation. I was the bad guy on Monday and took several simmunition rounds. Today I only managed to get shot once, even though I was an instructor and not carrying any weapons. Carry on guys.
Basically I don't mind discussing tactics, but I am more reserved about discussing strategies. I would consider setting up one of theses scenarios. However I am too busy at the moment to do one. I have been training law enforcement officers all week on how to deal with an active shooter situation. I was the bad guy on Monday and took several simmunition rounds. Today I only managed to get shot once, even though I was an instructor and not carrying any weapons. Carry on guys.
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I have to agree with Jake on this one ! Tactics are ok to discus , especialy when one can find Field Guides or Police Training videos on line, Those are not considered CLASSIFIED information. But a MILITARY or POLICE STRATAGY, that needs to remain CLASSIFIED. I myself have wonderfull Tactics we used in Iraq that I am prohibited in sharring outside of my unit. Thats just the way it has to be here. Now I dont think that Jake or myself will have any issue in "GUIDING" you and offer ideas or hints.Jake wrote:Here is the thing guys. I think this is an great way to train, but I doubt I will be giving my two cents worth. I don't mind discussing individual tactics, and to an extent two man team tactics. However I don't feel comfortable breaking down how law enforcement might handle a mass incident, due to the fact that I believe this information could get into the wrong hands.
Basically I don't mind discussing tactics, but I am more reserved about discussing strategies. I would consider setting up one of theses scenarios. However I am too busy at the moment to do one. I have been training law enforcement officers all week on how to deal with an active shooter situation. I was the bad guy on Monday and took several simmunition rounds. Today I only managed to get shot once, even though I was an instructor and not carrying any weapons. Carry on guys.
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