Why is the MP5 a popular choice for CT teams?

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Re: Why is the MP5 a popular choice for CT teams?

Post by jimothy_183 » Fri Aug 26, 2011 8:45 am

That is essentially what a Personal Defense Weapon (PDW) is. It is a compact weapon, normally no larger than a normal SMG, that fires an armour piercing round that is the size of a pistol round but has the characteristics of a rifle round.

I don't think the MP7 is what's taking over the MP5's role, it should be something else since an SMG like the MP5 and a PDW like the MP7 serve different purposes.

BTW in that last pic, the operator looks like a private contractor working in a PSD job.
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Re: Why is the MP5 a popular choice for CT teams?

Post by Ryan » Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:36 am

Nah, he's a Navy Seal. What would be the differences or pro's/con's when comparing both? I mean that round can pierce kevlar pretty well, that's a big advantage in the modern age.
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Re: Why is the MP5 a popular choice for CT teams?

Post by jimothy_183 » Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:15 am

Take a look at one of my previous posts with the little graph.
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Re: Why is the MP5 a popular choice for CT teams?

Post by jimothy_183 » Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:25 pm

This article explains a few things.
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Re: Why is the MP5 a popular choice for CT teams?

Post by Ryan » Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:39 am

Nice article, some good knowledge.

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British Special Police - MP7-SF.

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British Special Police - MP7-SF.

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DEVGRU - MP7A1.

Becoming popular. Anyone here fired/tried out the MP7?

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Very small, no doubt agile.

"The MP7 uses tiny 4.7mm High Velocity armor piercing rounds. The MP5 uses the 9mm.

Although the 9mm sounds like a big round, keep in mind that most RIFLES shoot rounds that are 5.56 mm and 7.62 mm.

The reason why they sound smaller is that they are thinner, but the actual bullet is longer than the 9mm. The 4.7mm sounds small, but is thinner than the 9mm (to pierce armor and reach high speeds) and longer. Overall, the MP7 is a superior weapon compared to the MP5." - DragonM16, http://forums.ijji.com/showthread.php?t=196880.

So, technically in-between a submachinegun and a carbine, a PDW. But surely better than the original PDW's, the M1 Carbine and alike. It is also designed to be a concealable weapon. It's definitely something to look out for.







Does really remind me of an UZI though. :lol:
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Re: Why is the MP5 a popular choice for CT teams?

Post by jimothy_183 » Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:45 am

Ryan wrote: "Overall, the MP7 is a superior weapon compared to the MP5." - DragonM16, http://forums.ijji.com/showthread.php?t=196880.
Wouldn't agree with that. As I said: different weapons, different purposes.
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Re: Why is the MP5 a popular choice for CT teams?

Post by Ryan » Sat Oct 22, 2011 4:35 am

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Re: Why is the MP5 a popular choice for CT teams?

Post by Ryan » Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:22 am

Dramatikk wrote:Russian copycat?
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The Gepard, i.e. Cheetah!

Bad translation, but here we go:
"Cheetah is manufactured by REX Firearms which is part of the Russian military giant, IZMASH. As many as 65% of the Cheetah is interchangeable with the AKS-74U, which facilitates training and logistics. The basic configuration of the following bullets shoots cheetah:
9X17mm (.380 ACP)
9X18mm
9x19mm
9X21mm
RUSSIAN 9X21
9X30 (!) RUSSIAN GROM

For all of these missiles is used a the standard magazine. To shoot bullets 9X17mm, 9X18mm, 9x19mm and 9X21mm not need to replace the barrel (!). To adapt a powerful weapon for shooting caliber 9X30mm GROM, replacing a cartridge chamber. For the exchange are not required special tools and the operation takes about an inch a minute.

Cheetah is based on one principle of operation, as it is in conventional weapons. Depending on the caliber of ammunition used, the principle of operation varies. Free lock recoil is used for operations caliber bullets 9X17mm, 9X18mm and 9x19mm."

Here is the translated version: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/ ... NbzQKPnl3g.

So more discussion on PDW's and similar: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/sh ... PDW-Thread.
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Re: Why is the MP5 a popular choice for CT teams?

Post by Ryan » Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:15 am

Very interesting article on the MP5 series --
http://loadoutroom.com/998/hk-mp-5-the- ... the-1980s/
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Re: Why is the MP5 a popular choice for CT teams?

Post by Ryan » Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:40 am


More on the MP7A1.

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Re: Why is the MP5 a popular choice for CT teams?

Post by seal236 » Sat Sep 01, 2012 5:19 pm

MP7 was brought on board because we have multiple assets with 'bigger' guns.

We train head shots so the number of rounds is not too important. Yes it will take a few extra to put a guy down, but you can reach 100 yards on a good day.

9mm is awesome at close distances but any further than 25yards and you are hurting. Engagements in the mountains take place between 50 and 200 yards. Guys in the group have sniper rifles and any engagements with some douchbags is typically done with the snipers. Bad guys cant hit shit anyways.

On taget the mp7 awesome and the hump in is always long. its nice not carrying that extra 10 lbs.

The contract for the mp7s have ended and we are not renewing it. So say good bye with in the next few years. Today Mp7 are normally carried by support personnel and those not used during CQB

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Re: Why is the MP5 a popular choice for CT teams?

Post by Ryan » Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:36 am

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Custom stocks for rocking the helmet.

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SEAL's with MP7's. Games like Medal of Honor Warfighter aren't saying the same, with ex-ST6 members (even the author of "No Easy Day") narrating and talking, they have mentioned the use of MP7's in nearly every episode. One thing about it too is that you can use it one handed in those moments when you need to use your other hand such as pushing a door.
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Re: Why is the MP5 a popular choice for CT teams?

Post by Ryan » Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:26 am

Might as well throw this in here as we've discussed other weaponry.

Thoughts on the UMP-45?

We had thoughts on the KRISS that it's too much $$ for most teams.

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Re: Why is the MP5 a popular choice for CT teams?

Post by jimothy_183 » Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:16 am

I think the UMP in general was made to fix what was not broken in the first place.

45? meh, it goes back to the caliber debate and we all know how that is. :roll:
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Re: Why is the MP5 a popular choice for CT teams?

Post by jimothy_183 » Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:13 pm

When Heckler & Koch decided to replace the MP5, the reaction was mixed at best. The MP5 was iconic in the submachine gun world. It was reliable, accurate and easy to shoot, especially in 9mm. From a user's perspective, it was very close perfect.

From a manufacturing standpoint, however, it was a different story. With many small parts and the need for skilled labor, the MP5 was just too costly to build and stay competitive—especially with the flood or AR-type rifles entering the market. This resulted in the introduction of HK's Universal Machine Pistol or UMP.
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Re: Why is the MP5 a popular choice for CT teams?

Post by Breacher01 » Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:36 am

Its Called the FN herstal P90, in 5,7mm intermediate caliber. 50 rounds of armor piercing cartridges at your disposal, ad it doesn't stick out more than a glock 17.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_P90

Besides that the mp5 in 9mmx19 Para-bellum is still a favorite, because it isn't a bullpup, had a great ROF, limited penetration, very controllable recoil and the a2 has a nice RIS for optics and a vertical grip/bi-pod, for those shots that have to be exact the first time.

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