Ryan wrote:One that strives for religious purpose of expansion, conquest and seizing of power.
How do we combat it? How do we nibble it away?
To make the long answer short : you don't reason a fool, you prevent it to touch you (big stick, fence, ...), or you prevent it to become a fool.
I'm really not sure that the puppeteers are this religious. They use the religions for their own gains and to have an army of (dumb) loyal soldier. They get something from this. We musn't stop to the soldier, and try to see where the interest lies.
All the rest of the post is my opinion. I'm not right, and if I say something in the affirmative tone, is only because it's easier for me to write like this
In addition, If I say "our nations", I will mainly speak of France, since it's the nation that I know the most. I will generalize, but could be plainly wrong. Don't hesitate to "reprimand me" in this case.
Finally, I'm not sure I speak about the "fighting mindset" but more about the geopolitic which are the roots of this mindest.
If you think my post is "out of subject", just say it and I will try to edit it
IMHO , we must differentiate the war on their territory , and the war on our territory.
In our nations, the power they have is the power our nations are conceding in the security illusion.
What I want to say is that they are not expanding or conquesting anything. They are only wanted to show they (illusionnary) power (to bring fear)
They bring chaos to us, and what do our nations do:
- some gesticulation and drop our liberty (patriot act, "loi sur le renseignement", "etat d'urgence" (state of emergency). Terrorism is a scapegoat to have a better control of their population (For example, France use the "state of emergency" to assign to their house known ecologist who were against the COP21, for precisely the duration of the COP21.
They forbidden demonstration against COP21 with the excuses of "terrorism risk where multiples person are re-assembled", but in exactly the same time, ask every french man to use public transport instead of their cars... and forgetting the RER bombing of 95 in Paris (you can pack, and have much more efficiency in bombing in a closed environment like a train than in a public space like a road, as Madrid show us )
NSA use the patriot act to spy on their own citizen concerning plenty of thing different than the terrorism).
I'm personally not sure that it will prevent other act of terrorism, nor that it will eradicate the roots of the radicalization.
- do some war in far away country (and by the way, killing much more innocent in these country that the terrorist attack did in our own).
What our nations do NOT (and must do to limit this mindset):
- explicate what are the root of the terrorism : to bring terror. To make think that they can get us everywhere, when they want. And that in a short term we will all get killed. It's obviously not true.They are a minority, and in france, there are much more homeless kill each year by the cold than people killed by a terrorist attack.... (and I never see a "state of emergency" to avoid these humans to be killed... I am an idealist and think that a human life saved ... is still a human life saved, even if it's a homeless who isn't threatened by a jihadist )
All the media saying that it's absolutely horrible, that we are in a war ... are clearly anxiogen and irresponsible (Compare picture of a bombed ukrainian city and Paris to see "what is war".)
--> first things to do is to dedramatize the situation , and help people take the look at the bigger picture. It's not because that your neigbour have one wire our of his pocket that it's a suicide bomber. They are surely only earphone...
Another example : In France, all mall have taken security guard who check bags to see if there nothing suspicious. I could hide an AK-47 on my back that they will see nothing (and of course, they could do nothing, they are not armed, and even if they were, they wouldn't use it because of our laws ).
Really.I've come with my motorcycle vest with the space for the back protection (easily could put a smg instead), and a little pocket on my belt, where there are space for one grenade, and they neither ever ask me anything. (actually I don't have grenade in this pocket but phone, battery, etc...
It's clearly not helping to have a clear vision of what really happening when all you do is gesticulating and fueling the fear.
- find the cause of the radicalization of theses men. For the 11/9 , they were multiples month in USA. Why the "american way of life" did'nt converrt them back that Americans aren't evil ? How can we achieve this?
In the recent Paris terrorist attack, the perpetrators were french, and stopped following scholarship. Why a french man could be radicalized so easily ? Why there are 14 years french girl who go willingly to syria to be used as sex slave ?
Finding these root cause will force the terrorism to bring foreign perpetrators, with much less cover in the country.
What our nations do our do not, but don't communicate on this (so we have no idea if they are doing a fine job) :
- trying to identify, and neutralize (in the civil term : transform them powerless. Not necessarily killing ) foreign agent and network which organize theses guerrilla operations.
To finish this first part, IMHO our nations tend to act, but not reflect. They will show their muscle and tears, but they don't want to educated their citizen on why they are targeted, and why this or this arguments is a bad argument.
In France, we have a law which say that if you said something which glorify terrorism act etc..., you could be sent to jail. One of the perverse aspect of this sort of law, is that you (any person with more than 2 neuron) cannot counter argument any glorification since they are hidden.
In France we have a saying
Couvrez ce sein que je ne saurais voir.
("Cover up that bosom, which I can't endure to look on").
It conveys the idea that if we aren't happy with a subject , then just hide it will make it disappear.
Of course it's completely false.
It's also avoid to show that our nation aren't so "bright" and that we have also our part of shadow and evil deed.
On their territory.
Disclaimer : I am , by no way, an expert on middle east regions, or in muslim current.
It's truly, as you indicate it, a war of conquest. There are territory conquest, but also power conquest on other muslim current.
In addition, they tend to be truly cowards, using human shield (hostage), sex slave, and using power to coerce. They tend to prevent girls to have education or responsibility to make them stay obedient.
In Liban, Hezbollah put his headquarter in residential building, to prevent any sane person with value to the (innocent) human life to dislodge them.
Each of the current, tribes, form and break alliance following their short/middle-term interest.
For example, it's really funny to see Russia saying they will killed ISIS when they associate to the Syria Government, since it's this government which help ISIS grow in the first place!
They use ISIS to create a second front for the rebels, and with this help, they grew..
It's also fun to see how Turkish, who officialy are against ISIS, buy gas and oil from them....
And how US have officially drop help for kurdish as soon as they had access to turkish air base (certainly a secret accord to use the base, since turkish government just want to kill/imprison all remaining Kurdish since "they could be terrorist from the PKK").
I speak specifically about isis, but we could also speak about the palestinian territory, where Hezbollah use terrorism to get political advantage, and so on, and so on.
Religion in these country are a mean of control the population, and get the dumber doing absurd things ("If you kill yourself you could have virgins".... You don't need to kill yourself to go on a date dude ... especially in countries where when a girl is violated in a car, she (and not the perpetrator) is condemned because she was in a car with a stranger (of her family) (UAE are pretty extreme, don't you think ?)).
How can we prevent this on the long term? The region could be stabilized ... But it wasn't stabilized from most of the 5000 years before today. And to work it must come from the internals, and not from the external, as US show us. (At least they tried, even if we could certainly point multiple not so great thing they did in this war... as for anything/anyone doing actually something).
So this mean that all the population must be educated, and exactly in the same moment, changing all the mentality of the population to avoid repercussion. Following that in 1 or 2 generations they had a sufficiently open and educated population to work in a democracy, and could have enough power to prevent a dictator of using primal instinct to be elected. (Just to help memory of some, some really evil dictator in this region were brought by occidental secret service. Bite in the ass I would say).
We could also make a big flat parking after all ^^. It's all sand, we could get a glass parking ^^.