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FBI Hostage Rescue Team

Post by Admin » Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:09 pm

Ok boys, I got a film for us to analyse. Please press on the link below to open a you tube video, the same as I put up under videos 2 on the main page.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmZMWQ8e ... r_embedded

In the time 1:44-2:22 a helicopter lands on the roof of a building and you se 3-4 operators farstrope down. You can se in the helicopter from the other side so there can’t be more operators.
Then they start assaulting by blowing in the first door to the house.
Then they preeform a very dynamic clearing with only 4 operators.. I would like for you to watch the clip step by step and tell what you se en the film, witch techniques and so on..

At 3:18-3:33 they assault again only with more operators, in a very coordinated assault, please comment on that to? What do you se?
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Post by geryban » Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:21 am

interesting... esspecially the muzzleing sometimes (2:01). so they are so fast... (rule no1: slow is smooth, smooth is fast) i dont know, why they are running. And in this techniques, the pointman isnot a lucky guy... :) i think its a promo video maybe, with a "good cut"
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Post by Admin » Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:48 am

I have seen the technique before, used by sof but NOT with only 4 operators.. so you might be right.
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Post by Jack » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:02 am

Good call Greyban on the muzzle sweeping. Not good, really bad if you do it while running.

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Post by Jack » Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:32 pm

Hear is another good FBI hostage rescue video. Lots to talk about here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TJQrRNxrHA

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Post by geryban » Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:17 am

Old days, hard guys, with big moustache and big hair... :) respect.
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Post by Jack » Sun Jun 27, 2010 5:37 am

I guess we all stand on the shoulders of giants. Lots of hard lessons learned over the years.

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Post by Admin » Sun Jun 27, 2010 9:33 pm

Hey nice video and all new :-)

Ok. let’s analyse

At 10:00 a 4 man team attack a door, doing some form of a 4 man wall flood agree?

At 05:00 11 operators blows a door and enter a tire house.
First to takes hard corners
the second 2 operators takes the the centre of the room like a 4 man wall flood.

then it gets strange.

number 5 run directly in front of number 4 and secure the same space as number 4???

3 operators enter and continue down the opposite wall to the corner.
at the same time number 5 moves forward when they take the corner.

number 5 falls down and number 4 takes his place, while a flooder takes his own.

then they search the people in the room while they are standing and the cover man standing a long way back....

I know they are saturating the building and they must know how it looks inside, but why does number 5 block number 4? a blooper?
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Post by Jack » Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:12 pm

I think what you are looking at is a team that has hit this shoot house so many times that they have developed tactics for entry on that are specific location. This can be a bad habit but, it is important to keep in mind that this was a well organized demonstration and may not reflect operational tactics in great detail. Plus some high speed teams gather enough intelligence on structures to do these types of entries.

As indicated by all of the live actors down range, they were clearly comfortable with a lack of muzzle discipline. At 5:41 you clearly see the Operator muzzle sweeping the actor. I'm sure this was no accident, a dangerous thing to do on the range, but probably exactly what you want on a real OP. It is not a good idea for your average team to train this way, but these guys were pros. I'm not saying I'm for or against it, I'm just saying it seemed intentional and the finger was off the trigger.

Now the cross fire that takes place at 06:26 is very bad. The operator is pointing his MP5 at no less than THREE of his own team members. That's just bad.

The team dose communicate very well though.

Notice the lack of handcuffs or flex cuffs. This dates the video about as much as the mustaches and the radio equipment.

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Re: FBI Hostage Rescue Team

Post by oldeafcoot » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:19 pm

it really depends on the purpose of the entry and the resources they have available. This particular team has many missions, not all of them counter-terrorist missions. If they are making entry into a building for the purpose of arresting one guy, four operators would seem to be enough, especially since there will be other cops outside who can come in and assist when needed.
Before they make entry, the location will have been under surveillance for some time, so they will have a pretty good idea of what they are up against. Sometimes you only have four guys, in which case to go get one criminal, that would seem to be enough. In some locations, there isn't enough room for more guys than that without getting in each others way. You get some outside cover and containment and go for it. It's not 100 percent safe, but thats what you get paid for.
They are moving quickly because the objective is to get to that one guy and get him under control before he can arm himself and set up some kind of resistance.
In other situations, where, for example, you were looking for large items of evidence that can't be quickly destroyed there would be no need to speed at all.
I realize that these guys are moving fast, but they spend a lot of time practicing shooting on the move, and it may be well within their capabilities to engage while moving quickly, especially with an MP-5 or shotgun. Shooting accurately the length of a room should be no problem for someone with one of those weapons who is well practiced.

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