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Close Quarter Battle Zero

Post by jimothy_183 » Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:32 am

At what range do you have your weapons zeroed in at for CQB?
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Post by geryban » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:42 am

i think no big difference betwen the cqb and the other situations... usually cqb is the part of the situation. if you fixed the sight to 100meter you can hit he headsilouette every range. but you fixed it 15m, you cant hit the head 100m... you can hit the target the long hallways, out of the window, and other longer ranges.

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Post by Admin » Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:53 pm

If you always have your weapon zeroed in at the same distance, you will learn to aim a bit higher or lower when you move around the shooting range.
My M4 is zeroed in at 200 meters and i use the same aimpoint at 10-400 meters.
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Post by Jack » Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:21 am

Mine is zeroed at 50 yards, but I shoot a 9mm. I say 50 yards for a 223.

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Post by jimothy_183 » Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:27 am

What about your sidearms?
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Post by geryban » Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:30 am

i dont understand... i have a glock19 no diferent CQB and other situations...
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Post by jimothy_183 » Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:31 am

I mean what are your pistols zeroed in at.
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Post by Jack » Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:34 am

I don't zero my handgun. It has relatively fixed sights. On a rare occasion left and right adjustments are made, but not generally.

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Post by jimothy_183 » Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:36 am

So I'm assuming that it's just as it's come from the factory which should be about 50-55 yards?
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Post by Jack » Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:59 am

To be honest I don't know. I don't even know if you ever really have a true zero with most pistols. I suspect that you don't. By that I mean that I don't think the line of sight ever intersects with the line of departure. I suspect that the bullet travels just under the line of sight and then just drops off when gravity slows the bullet down and it starts to drop.

At close range obviously the barrel is lower than the sights so you are always going to impact a little bit low. Not much, but a little bit. Not enough to worry too much about, unless you are trying to put an eyeball out for a demonstration.

Because of the limited range of pistol rounds, long range shooting isn't something that is really practical with pistols. If you wanted to shoot long range, you would either have to hold high, or purchase a pistol with adjustable elevation sights, made for longer range shooting.

Somebody please correct me if I am wrong.

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Post by jimothy_183 » Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:04 am

Well I think it would be nice to know more about the trajectory of pistols but it's not something you should lose sleep over though.

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Post by Jack » Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:28 am

Yea. I can hit a target at fifty yards with a pistol without too much effort, and that is good enough for me.

I know some people shoot combat handguns at 100 yards, but that just isn't something I have done a lot of. Or feel the need to practice a lot of. I suspect I could make the shot, but I haven't trained a lot on it.

If I found myself in that situation I would probably close the gap to within fifty yards. If I couldn't do that, which is unlikely, I would hopefully make the shot.

Anything beyond 100 yards, I don't think that I would attempt it, with the handgun I use.

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Post by aaazzz000 » Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:09 pm

aimpoint at around 40-100 m

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Re: Close Quarter Battle Zero

Post by badger » Sat Apr 02, 2011 6:46 pm

One of my friend has saying: Each shooting over 10 metres is hunting. Not CQB shooting." :)

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Post by geryban » Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:30 pm

Im not agree. i think, my grandy can shoot to 10meter
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Re: Close Quarter Battle Zero

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Re: Close Quarter Battle Zero

Post by Ryan » Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:56 am

CQB-TEAM Education and Motivation.

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Re: Close Quarter Battle Zero

Post by jimothy_183 » Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:07 am

Sneaky boy, did you get that off a DVD you bought? :wink:
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Re: Close Quarter Battle Zero

Post by Ryan » Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:45 am

:P I got it off youtube, through download helper. A guy put up that video then it vanished. I copied it to my channel for a few forums. Can remove if need be.

"I was watching the 'Adaptive Carbine' by Travis Haley (Ex-SF, Force Recon and now LE member) who was testing all the theories for zero'ing your carbine.

In a close quarters battle setting he tried all kinds of different zero's, including the Marine's 300M zero. That turned out to be best!

At a 25M zero he was hitting too low over long distances, at 50M still too low, at 100M and 200M too high with some and too low with others. At 300M it was perfect, a 10cm kill zone in the chest, beautiful for not only close quarters but hitting out to 300M+.

If you try to hit out to 400-500M you have to adjust. You aim for the chest and memorise chest to knee height, then adjust a whole unit of that height upwards for 400M and you'll hit the chest, for 500M you do the same just around the neck and face area.

Good tips." - Rye.

"yer well battle sights is 300m australian army has been teaching since i joined in 1995,for memory the Steyr had the the donut preset to 300m,coz under 300m you might as well shoot from the hip with it lol,but the first lot of steyr were shit, breaking springs, jamming,bayonets snaping off we broke 4 on the steyr conversion course lol." - Dags.

"Lol Dags. Yeah, your ballistics do a different flight path for each setting you choose.

He talks about the combat effective zone--Can you put a red dot on the chest of a target at different yard lines to get a 15inch combat effective zone within the chest area, i.e. the place that will do a lot of damage to tissue and organs. If you're hitting higher or lower there is not a whole lot of body either so it's accuracy based as well.

A combat effective hit is something that is going to put the hurt on the enemy.

He talks about holdover--How far should I hold to hit the target at this range.

So here it is, 300M zero-
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/7329/t ... effect.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BchDwORw ... r_embedded" - Rye.
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Re: Close Quarter Battle Zero

Post by jimothy_183 » Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:39 am

Well actually thats probably the same video I linked before your post there before it got deleted. The same channel that posted that video actually had a couple of other good clips from the adaptive carbine DVD that got deleted as well.
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