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Re: Voice Commands

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:45 pm
by badger
Nice reading...

in my unit we are using these types of commands.

Dynamic entry, using moment of surprise

Identify your self : "Police, Police action, dont move". ( its moment directly after ramming the door (shotguning, etc....)

Reason : a lot of guys in our country are very happy, when they recognized us as a real Police. Then, we have some judicial decisions (something like precedent in common law), where Police unit "forgot" use identification of themselves, suspect thought its burglars and use weapon against the unit - using of weapon was evaluated as a legal use of weapon. We have some cases with surveilance cameras inside, etc, etc.

"Dont move" - its general command for everyone in structure to do something - it means -nothing- DONT MOVE.
Two aspects:
1. direct order - disobeying of Police order is offense
2. get some time - one of the hardest tasks of Police forces is recognition if the suspect has a weapon in his hand or not. Its knife of toothbrush, its grenade or pair of socks .... so get some time for suspect to recognize that its police who broke the door and for police to recognize his hands are empty, or what type of object he has in hand...

Of course if that is legal reason to use the gun, we use it.

Than after meeting the suspect we yell "Suspect" (some of our units, mainly national swat team use term: "tango") - its information for the other team members: "I have some person". After recognizing follows other commands : Get down, Gun down, Show me your empty hands - palms to me.
We are using command : "Hands on face. And count." - suspect has limited view, we have his hands under visual control.

Counting - allways we are yelling on suspects to counting. "COUNT, LOUDER" - at the first moment we have psychological advantage, suspects are obedient and count. At this moment he have not time to think about some resistance or for some another things, he just wants to count and please the Police. And we know where is the suspect, he lies down on his face, of course than he has hand on the hand or stretched apart.

Re: Voice Commands

Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:10 pm
by Admin
Counting!! That is new for mé, never heard of it before.
Is it a Unit sop?

Re: Voice Commands

Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:55 pm
by badger
Yes it is.

Re: Voice Commands

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 1:23 am
by Jack
Wow. I have never heard of counting. It would distract them. I doubt I would use it, because I do tell suspects to do anything I'm not capable of making them do if they don't comply. Where I work is a bad, bad part of town and you probably wouldn't get people to count for you. But to each his own.

As far has the hands on the face, I haven't seen that one either. I would always be wandering if they were peeking or not. My other problem with the hands on the face is that they are just inches away from being in a perfect MMA/boxing position with their arms.

Very new and interesting ideas though. Do what works for you and your Team.

Re: Voice Commands

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:32 am
by badger
Hands on face.

Its just for first moment, mainly in siting position or standing position, when the suspects are cooperating and hearing our commands we wanted from them to lie down, with hands apart the body.
Another reason - in the case of narcotics raids in narcos slums, we always want to see their hands, if they have some drugs in hand in little paper boxes (we call it "puzzles") in the first shock of Police intervention they squeezed fists. When the command hands behind the head is coming they simple throwing the puzzles behind them ....
So we use it the first shock of Police intervention on the scene (flats, rooms, cars, buses, etc....)

Its works for example in cars, buses, trains, planes - Hand on the face, we have hands visibly and afte this we can work with them.

Counting - yes - sometimes it doesnt work, sometimes (may be 5% of cases they dont want count), we have cases when we arrested murders, gang members, terrorists, drug dealers, children pornography offenders, University graduates and all of them counted (some of them to around 200-500 when investigator and technicians came to scene....

When we are doing safety check of arresting suspect we alwasy ask him: Do you have some gun, some sharp objects, needles ? Do you have some illness, HIV, jaundice ? - Sometimes they cooperate and sometimes not.

MMA position - when you have hands behind the head is very simple to get elbows together to cover the face and then go to attack mode... ( something similar is in SPEAR system)

Re: Voice Commands

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 3:10 pm
by Jack
Have you ever told them to look away and count to 1,000. Then just leave when they are on 15?

Re: Voice Commands

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 5:38 pm
by badger
Leave after 15 ? I dont understand, sorry.

Re: Voice Commands

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:35 pm
by geryban
We count too. Its an east European trick, perhabs... :D

Re: Voice Commands

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 2:12 am
by Jack
I'm just kidding, it's like in the movies when the bank robber tells the hostages to cover their eyes and count to five hundred, then leave in fifteen seconds.

Get it?

A joke? :D

Re: Voice Commands

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:25 am
by geryban
YEA... :D

It can work, if your team goes to a wrong adress! When the husbend, housewife, grandmas, kids and the dog will finish counting to 1000, The scary black guys are nowhere, maybe it was just a bad dream... :D

Re: Voice Commands

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:06 am
by badger
Finaly ... I got it :)

Re: Voice Commands

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 6:21 am
by Ryan
Jack wrote:What voice commands would you give somebody who you want to restrain and/or search?
It's good to mention gaining dominance in the room when giving verbal commands.

Posture, voice (verbally) and tools.

If you're in an aggressive posture, facing them, keep eye contact (war face, whatever makes you happy) they will react.
If you are loud, aggressive and most of all assertive then they will react.
If you have the correct tools, say a firearm, they will react to it differently to if you had a spoon! :P But then again, get the first two right and you won't have to use your "tool".

I don't like the 'DON'T MOVE!' as naturally you are going to move. Anything you say must be well spoken, understandable and assertive.

Re: Voice Commands

Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 9:55 pm
by tangosvk
counting is good, you have informations about suspect after cuffing, about his health conditions, you know he is breathing when he is counting, he is not unconsciousness. he can count from zero to 1000, from 1000 to zero, or only odd numbers. his mind have to still thinking about numbers not about "bad thinks"

Re: Voice Commands

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:44 pm
by tangosvk
voice commands have to make a job easier
in my opinion command "show me your hands" can make a trouble, suspect after this command will put his hands opposite you, low light conditions, black clothes, black object in his hands, cell phone, TV remote controler, or glock, in speed of action his hands has some object who can point at you and it is harder to recognize it what it is in one second...if you use "hands up" or " hands above your head" you see his hands too...nothing can point of you...his hands are far from his belt...where he could have a gun, you can easily shoot a gun or knife out from his hands...after time of surprise he can start thinking and if he has a gun in his hand and you tell him "drop the gun" ...and nothing can shoot it is better like shoot him to his chest after few seconds.

in every room where are people you have to scream "police" ... not only if you enter to house...after few rooms someone start shoot at you and you kill him.
then experts make sounds test in this house, and proof... in his room played radio or loudly TV and he cant hear voice command from house entry doors...and he start defend him self and died.

if you have contact with armed suspect and you have to shoot you scream "suspect, gun, am shooting" or only "gun, am shooting" or only "am shooting" team members know...there is a see threat and you are going to shoot it, sounds of shooting are from us, if no one scream "am shooting" and you are hearing bam bam bam....for example on your left is not shooting from your team. and you have to solve it. after you shoot a bad guy down...imedietly you have to scream "suspect secure" or "suspect down"..or "tango down" ....because after entry if you are going left for have threat...and your buddy have threat on right side too....he scream "gun,am shooting" ...i know there is a fight...but if then I dont hear "suspect secure" after 2 or 3 seconds when he start shooting something is wrong and behind me can be armed not wounded suspect...but if he scream "suspect secure" I have information he win the fight....then when he get his boots on his hands or cuff him etc. he scream "suspect under control" ..."one to me" ..."you cover me am getting him first aid" ...

there is a lot of commands, and if you are screaming it well and a lot of you can panic your enemy