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Hypothetical

Post by Buzzsaw » Thu May 17, 2012 8:51 pm

*Note: This is not neccessarily a "CQB" situation (although invovling extracting targets from a vehicle, so close-in action would be taken). But, I thought I would get the opinions and ideas from the tactical-minded folks here on cqb-team.

Situation: You have an HVT whose been underground for a few years, but recent intel suggests that he will be poking his head up soon in an attempt to exfil the country to a neighboring nation with no extradition and will be generally a no-go zone for your forces (Pakistan perhaps?). Intel suggests that he will be moving along a particular backroad to get to his exfil point, and he will be moving in only 1 - 2 vehicles (assume these are baseline armored cars). But here is the possible tricky part: he will be moving with his young child (say 9-10 years old) on board the exfil vehicle. Command wants an actionable plan ready for deployment when the call comes...whatcha got? :)
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Re: Hypothetical

Post by tacticalguy » Fri May 18, 2012 1:01 am

Okay, just gonna take my swing at this. The key is separating the HVT from his child. It would be very unlikely that he would willingly leave one of the vehicles with his child inside. You have to coax the child out, away from his father. Children respond to certain things and are willing to dart away from their parents for them. Toys and small animals; puppies, kittens, etc. The HVT will want to move at a measured pace, not too fast or too slow as either will draw attention. It's also likely the HVT will want to move at night in the hope of evading detection; the FLIR on the drones and 'Paches notwithstanding. If the trip is long enough, the HVT will have to stop at least once so that the child can answer the call of Nature. Those are the only ideas I can spit out without more intel, sorry.
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Re: Hypothetical

Post by Buzzsaw » Fri May 18, 2012 3:40 pm

Yes the trip would be somewhat lengthy, probably 3+ hours road time. Also, target would be moving at night like you mentioned.
I like the idea of the "call of nature" time being used to seperate the child from the HVT... I suppose if you could somehow anticipate a likely location (some small rest stop or area along the way), you could set-up a team to ambush the detail and secure the HVT when they leave the vehicles. Definitely an option to keep on the table.
But what if they do not make the stop? Hmm...
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Re: Hypothetical

Post by badger » Fri May 18, 2012 9:09 pm

We can talk about cars ambush, tactics ... etc, but you want to now some opsec infos. Try to use your imagination. Sometimes simple things works better than "megalomaniac" plans.

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Re: Hypothetical

Post by tacticalguy » Fri May 18, 2012 11:01 pm

badger wrote:We can talk about cars ambush, tactics ... etc, but you want to now some opsec infos. Try to use your imagination. Sometimes simple things works better than "megalomaniac" plans.
ABSOLUTELY correct!! Keep It Simple, Stupid is more than just a fun acronym. The more complicated the plan, the quicker the wheels will fall off, inevitably. The fewer "moving parts", the better. If you know the potential routes, you could set up "issues"; spikes, etc. Then, a couple of ambush teams on those route near the "issues".
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Re: Hypothetical

Post by Ryan » Wed May 23, 2012 9:56 am

Agreed with badger.
You put a big stop sign out front and use a 'child-friendly' net. All can be bought from the interwebs. :D


Problem: ROE restrictions. A Child within close proximity to a HVT.
Probable solutions: Separation, segregation, manipulation, control, ignoring the ROE.

And it gets interesting.
Armoured vehicles? Offroad probable. Military capable. I take they are Afghani's. BTR-40's? :P
Run-on-flat tyres, welded and reinforced steel, jury-rigged extra protection... and a privacy curtain of course.
This makes it MILITARY as well, you can't exactly 'pull them over'.

Separation -
Toys? They're Afgani's. They know your Soviet-era tricks!
If they are close (siblings) then one will probably warn the other, strict precautions on such a move.
Border crossings draw the highest attention and security levels.

If he doesn't stop you can chase, track, call for help or give up.

When it comes to the extraction -
Close with the vehicle, covermen in appropriate locations. identify internal threats and react, passenger access, extraction, control and arrest.


2 vehicle ambush. Less spacing, so they will be close - 50m tops. One may scout around corners, possible ambush routes - at this stage 100-200m tops.
They will slow in a rugged terrain like Afghanistan, natural chokepoints are everywhere.
A simple linear ambush could take out the HVT - but the kid is the issue. You have to make the vehicles static, blocked ambush?
Go to the most likely petrol station stop and exchange all oil for liquid which looks like oil. Watch them stall along their trip. Smile inside. :)
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Re: Hypothetical

Post by Buzzsaw » Wed May 23, 2012 7:48 pm

haha the oil trick...how very tricky! All the input is appreciated gentlemen
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