Do you agree with this form of stacking?

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Do you agree with this form of stacking?

Post by Ryan » Tue Aug 04, 2015 3:34 am


1:25. Rifle over the first man's shoulder, closest to the door/wall you're on. This allows first man to take POLR and second man to have his weapon at the ready into his AOR quicker than being low-ready and having to bring it around yourself and avoiding the pointman.

I have heard this as the "offside shoulder technique".
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Re: Do you agree with this form of stacking?

Post by jimothy_183 » Tue Aug 04, 2015 2:44 pm

Sounds like a recipe for friendly fire to me.
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Re: Do you agree with this form of stacking?

Post by tacticalguy » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:25 pm

At :47 in, you see a 3 man clearing of a room from the POV of a potential hostage and/or tango. First man through digs left AROUND the door, second man digs right, third guy hews the middle. Anyone else like to comment on what they saw?
:59 in, 3 man team. Gap, anyone?
1:37 in, the rifle on his partner's right shoulder as they're about to enter and dig right. (sigh)
Personally, I wouldn't feel safe clearing with these folks, imho.
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Re: Do you agree with this form of stacking?

Post by Ryan » Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:07 am

Agree. Huge gap of dispersion. I don't know how a gap between shooters is going to help your situation unless the shooter was fixated on the door - of which you can't predict and is unlikely.
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Re: Do you agree with this form of stacking?

Post by Ryan » Sat Sep 12, 2015 10:46 am



What about a linear stack directly in front of the door? More guns on threat.
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Re: Do you agree with this form of stacking?

Post by Breacher01 » Sat Aug 13, 2016 6:59 pm

It seems fast, but i doubt it really is faster compared to stacking up on opposite sides of the door, and when bullets start flying everyone is in the line of fire.
Opposing sides gives your team more lines of fire and sight before stepping in.

Lets say when you have to knock down a door this really isn't an option anyway.

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Re: Do you agree with this form of stacking?

Post by tacticalguy » Tue Aug 16, 2016 6:28 am

Breacher hit all of my objections to the idea of stacking in front of the door.
If you have `cleared' all the rooms and met no resistance, you and your entry team have probably kicked in the door of the wrong house.
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Re: Do you agree with this form of stacking?

Post by Breacher01 » Thu Sep 01, 2016 1:45 am

Thanks, but I also have my objections about one side stacks.

But I am biased because I usually breach from the hinge side and then back up my ass and tools 2 meters(6ft).
And get up an mp5 or 416/diemaco c8nld. it doesn't really matters what side the door opens to.

Front man mostly use a glock 17 and a shield, the rest may vary. Every situation differs in threat level and aggression we use.
Since my team is inside by the time my tools and the "opening"(in the broadest sense possible) are done I may be the last to enter, so I can choose carry long weapons.

Most of the deployments I friendly command scared neighbors at gunpoint to stay inside, and convince them we are "police", not burglars.

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Re: Do you agree with this form of stacking?

Post by mrsmallbee » Sun Sep 04, 2016 2:02 pm

can't watch the video

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Re: Do you agree with this form of stacking?

Post by Breacher01 » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:02 am

try using a pc.

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