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Comment On Hallway Technique: Cloverleaf

Post by Dramatikk » Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:32 pm

Any comments on this hallway formation, people?

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Source of Information (Look Up Page 124 of This Book)

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Re: Comment On Hallway Technique: Cloverleaf

Post by jimothy_183 » Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:41 pm

IMO the image is wrong. 2 and 3 man are supposed to be facing out, not in only because of the fact that they are so close together that they won't be able to see much and could end up with cross fire in those positions.

Again IMO "cloverleaf" is really just a 3 man variant of the diamond formation.
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Re: Comment On Hallway Technique: Cloverleaf

Post by seal236 » Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:42 pm

Depending on tactics used...

The more people in the hallway = the more WIA you have from the one shooter who decides to spray down the hallway.

Minimum personnel in the F' ing hallways!!!

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Re: Comment On Hallway Technique: Cloverleaf

Post by Ryan » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:18 am

Hallways are internal key ground for domination; this plus an external security perimeter and you dominate what comes in and out of rooms and the building. This obviously means a hallway would be a priority to take and cover, and therefore the enemy would try to dominate it; without this domination they will be planted in the rooms left to clear, giving you a clearer threat detection radius. Some of the pictures look alright but they remain stuck together with the obvious cons; shoot-through polykill. It also looks like a tight squeeze for the outer lane if you were kitted out and the room entry is a simple buttonhook with the 3rd hugging the doorjamb, if there was a threat in the room you'd want front coverage as 3rd man in the middle; then you could move back to hallway domination. In some of the slides there is a lot of muzzle sweeping.

I like the way they split doors whilst still remaining coverage to the unknown areas; it reminds me of the element swarm in the way they slide amongst each other. Their cross-cover looks OK too but to be honest the only principles shown are: Make space for bypassing, adapt to your position in the team, keep coverage on threat areas and the real test is how it would adapt to force-on-force.

Anyhow if someone gives it a go, give us a yell.

P.S. Picture does not work, email it to me.



Note the videos above, they are clearing either on the inner or outer lane depending on dynamic or slow.
T-intersections, and all intersections alike, and very hard to clear. They are fatal funnels - linear danger areas.
One main note is about creating space between the middle for the run through - it's like doing an obstacle or danger area crossing, same principle.
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Re: Comment On Hallway Technique: Cloverleaf

Post by jimothy_183 » Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:40 pm

Good point raised about bunching up. However what would a better solution for movement down a hallway be?

http://www.hockscqc.com/articles/tactic ... /index.htm

http://tgace.com/2011/12/05/two-man-dri ... nderstood/
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Re: Comment On Hallway Technique: Cloverleaf

Post by Dramatikk » Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:01 pm

Regarding those two articles about physical body contact while moving, I would like to add some points:

- To have physical contact with your teammates while moving makes it easier for the team to move at the same speed. If one of the operators is slowing down or speeding up the other teammates would feel the change of pace and the one slowing down would feel it too and move faster to keep up with the rest of the team. With physical contact there is no need for the operators to glanze around to find out where the rest of the team is.

- It is scientifically proven that physical human contact lowers your heart rate and makes you feel more at ease with the situation:
Touching eases pain, lessens anxiety, softens the blows of life, generates hope and has the
power to heal, according to most experts. In fact, modern psychology and medicine are
confirming what mothers across the centuries have untuitively known--namely, the healing
power of touch.
Various studies and experiments show the simple act of reaching out and touching another
person frequently results in physical benefits such as slowing the heart rate, dropping blood
pressure and speeding recovery from illness. For example, Dr. James Lynch, professor at
Baltimore's University of Maryland School of Medicine conducts extensive studies on touch and
its impact upon the body. "Physical contact has very dramatic effects upon psychological
health," he says. "It lowers blood pressure. It relaxes you.".
From the article "Healing Power of Touch".

Kind regards, Dramatikk. :)

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Re: Comment On Hallway Technique: Cloverleaf

Post by seal236 » Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:56 pm

Sorry don't agree.

First airsoft breaths bad tactics. You can apply real tactics to airsoft but not the other way around.

As far as touching: keep your hands and body off of me... There is no tactical advantage to being close together unless small spaces and immediate threats call for it. its 'pick up basket ball' you go when he does etc.. there should be no need for talking or bumping or pulling or pushing. A pinch or squeeze is all one requires to make action. When we start planning and choreographing that is when mistakes get made.

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Re: Comment On Hallway Technique: Cloverleaf

Post by tacticalguy » Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:46 am

seal236 wrote:Sorry don't agree.

First airsoft breaths bad tactics. You can apply real tactics to airsoft but not the other way around.

As far as touching: keep your hands and body off of me... There is no tactical advantage to being close together unless small spaces and immediate threats call for it. its 'pick up basket ball' you go when he does etc.. there should be no need for talking or bumping or pulling or pushing. A pinch or squeeze is all one requires to make action. When we start planning and choreographing that is when mistakes get made.
Agreed, with all points made.
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Re: Comment On Hallway Technique: Cloverleaf

Post by Ryan » Sun Aug 03, 2014 3:22 am



1:20. I like the cloverleaf here and how the flanks react to opening angles into the room by pressing forward and leaning into their AORs.
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Re: Comment On Hallway Technique: Cloverleaf

Post by AidanMacc » Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:59 pm

I believe in having maximum fire power and having multiple barrels down range ready to engage threats but that formation just would not work because what if their was one wild spray of a machine gun down the hallway. It would just simply take them all out in one single spray. Plus most houses have very small hallways so that would just not work at all. I simply do not like that formation, sorry. Impractical.

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