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Planning

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 12:40 pm
by Ryan
How would you plan out an assault? What kinds of things would you be looking for? e.g. tactical diagramming, briefing. What kind of things would be included within these?

It must be the biggest headache on the planet to do this kind of thing.

I really love getting into it though. Especially things people don't think of. The small stuff -everyone thinks of entry points, so think of exit points so you can a lead. Enter here, don't do the conventional by exiting at the same point - jump a window, jump a roof. Surprise.

Re: Planning

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 5:05 am
by jimothy_183
The planning prcoess is consistent between missions and is standardised.

The plan itself can be a headache or not depending the the actual problem at hand.


You can find info on this stuff in the "Light Infantry Tactics for Small Teams" book in section II Leadership competencies.

You can also find some general information of the planning prcoess of a CT operation in the "SAS Survival Secrets" series.

Re: Planning

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:04 am
by Ryan
Ok, sweet. On top of that, what kind of reports are sent back during CT/CQB? What are the reporting methods? E.g. Man down, Room 1A? Simple and short. Any specialised reports?

Re: Planning

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:51 am
by jimothy_183
Scroll down to the bottom of this page. If your doing a CT op or something it can be a little bit different but the basic principles are the same across the board.

Always keep comms, any comms, short and simple.

Re: Planning

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:09 am
by Dramatikk
You should check out this manual, Ryan: Swat Leadership & Tactical Planning - http://www.amazon.com/Swat-Leadership-T ... 0873648978

Kind regards, Dramatikk. :)

Re: Planning

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:10 pm
by Dramatikk
Ryan wrote:Ok, sweet. On top of that, what kind of reports are sent back during CT/CQB? What are the reporting methods? E.g. Man down, Room 1A? Simple and short. Any specialised reports?
I have the understanding that every operation(Direct Action) starts of with some sort of a count down from the commander ... Like this: "5, 4, 3, 2, 1 ... Execute, Execute, Execute", "Stand by, Stand by ... Go" or "Ready, Ready, Ready, Ready ... Go".

When it comes to the status reports back to the commanding element, it could just be as simple as "Entry Team 1 ... Clear" and the respons might be, "Copy, Entry Team 1 ... Proceed" etc ... :roll:

Asking about any special reports, are you talking about code words like, "Sierra", "Tango", "Hotel", "Trailers" etc ... ?

Kind regards, Dramatikk. :)

Just A Little Something Edit:

Code-Word, "Trailers" -
Room clearing is best done in what are known as cells and groups. The most basic manpower component is a two-man cell of officers. These officers go everywhere together. Component cells can be combined with others to form groups of four or more operators for clearing operations based upon the needs of the situation. Room size and the number of persons believed to be within the room to be cleared are the two overriding factors that will determine how many officers should conduct the initial entry.

More officers can be introduced into a situation as what are known as “trailers.” These officers, who are called into the room or area by the initial entry team, will make up arrest or control teams. Should these officers be necessary they are considered “follow on forces” and not part of the initial entry and clearing team although they may be detailed to perform those functions on additional rooms that are found by the entry unit who themselves are occupied with other duties.
Source

Re: Planning

Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:54 am
by Ryan
Oh anything to co-ordinate it. :) Especially reports for contingencies.... I wanted to know a bit about planning too as it is more specialised to other planning phases like doing a SMEAC (operations brief), road brief, team leaders brief etc, it goes into more detail.

Re: Planning

Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:32 am
by jimothy_183
Dramatikk wrote: I have the understanding that every operation starts of with some sort of a count down from the commander ... Like this: "5, 4, 3, 2, 1 ... Execute, Execute, Execute", "Stand by, Stand by ... Go" or as the norwegian "Delta", "Ready, Ready, Ready, Ready ... Go".
Normally done in a Direct Action mission of some sort, to mark the beginning of the execution of the main objective. Not used on recon jobs as far as I'm aware.
Dramatikk wrote: When it comes to the status reports back to the commanding element, it could just be as simple as "Entry Team 1 ... Clear" and the respons might be, "Copy, Entry Team 1 ... Proceed" etc ... :roll:
http://tgace.wordpress.com/2009/11/19/t ... school-33/

It can be as simple as that but the commander may as for a more formal report that is outlined in the dslyecxi link above.
Ryan wrote:Oh anything to co-ordinate it. :) Especially reports for contingencies.... I wanted to know a bit about planning too as it is more specialised to other planning phases like doing a SMEAC (operations brief), road brief, team leaders brief etc, it goes into more detail.
Well I know of a commonly used one where if a team finds an unexpected bomb they will call out "bingo" and they should know what to do according to their SOP.

Re: Planning

Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:34 am
by Ryan
So deliberate action, would it get more complex like labelling rooms, e.g. 1A, 1B, etc? Don't want to make it too complex.

Re: Planning

Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:48 am
by jimothy_183
I never really said anything about room labelling and tbh I've never heard of anyone doing so either. I would imagine it's because you can't really be sure whats really in the building most of the time.

However it is quite easy to find info on labelling openings on the outside of a building. The sas survival secrets show outlines with the red,greed, black, white and numbering system. Variations of this are common as well.

Re: Planning

Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:10 am
by Ryan
Yeah that's true, they even labelled all windows and doors from left to right on each side. They'd say something like GREEN 1-1, meaning green side bottom left window. 2-1 being top left window green side.

It's been mentioned a few times. Believe it or not in similar videos by ex-British SAS, including Chris Ryan and even in the series Ultimate Force where he went along in the same episode and advised the film crew. If there was a man down they'd have the rooms labelled during planning so the support team could go in with the medics and get them out. I think it's a good idea for clearing floor by floor, knowing how many rooms there are. Plus say if you had guys down in a certain room, it's layout may tell you possible enemy positions within it, plus SITREPs. They'd obviously know what's been cleared by a predesignated marker in each room.

Obviously this didn't or happened minimally with direct action but SOP's can allow you to create a system where you can at least get out the floor number, and if you made it say so first left room is 1, first right room is 2 onwards then you'd get a better idea of where the casualty was. The support team would just rush in when needed and the downed man would try mark himself, say with a chemlight or even one of those LED type lights you see on bicyclists at night.

Re: Planning

Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:00 pm
by Dramatikk
The Counter-Terrorism Handbook (Tactics, Procedures and Techniques) - http://www.bandung2.co.uk/books/Files/W ... iques).pdf

Look up section 1 of the book.

Kind regards, Dramatikk. :)

Re: Planning

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:29 am
by Ryan
So you have a base plan, one with little or no recce then an updated plan as per results of recce. How do you guys fit intelligence information into the plan itself? For example the enemy unit's involved. Like a FRAGPLAN.

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What "holes" do you look for in your plans?

Re: Planning

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 1:54 pm
by Dramatikk
Ryan wrote: How do you guys fit intelligence information into the plan itself? For example the enemy unit's involved.
Conserning enemy units involved you should remember the "3x" rule. This general rule says that there should be atleast 3 operators per enemy soldier or suspect. So if you got for example 5 armed and barricaded suspects, the responding unit should consist of a minimum of 15 operators.

By the way, this article gives a good overview on raid planning

Kind regards, Dramatikk. :)

Re: Planning

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:03 am
by jimothy_183
We have already discussed that this is not always necessary in the "Attack ratios" thread and it is also talked about here. Of course whenever you are able to you should try and get a 3:1 ratio but unfortunately it isn't always possible in real life, especially in a hasty situation.

Another point is that just because you only saw X amount of BGs in the AO doesn't mean that that's all there is. With your example you could end up having 15 operators assault a building that actually has 20 BGs, not a good situation to be in.

Re: Planning

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:45 pm
by Ryan
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This is pretty good, how you plan the opposite way to how you execute. Specifically for breaching but can generally be modified and applied. TLP is similar.

Re: Planning

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:45 am
by Ryan
"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face" - Mike Tyson.

Does anyone here ever plan for failure or for a failure point? When you're starting to fail or gradually failing i.e. losing the firefight? What does that involve?

Re: Planning

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:30 am
by jimothy_183
They are called "contingency plans". What Mike Tyson said could easily be the boxing equivilant of "No plan ever survives the first contact".