Just War Theory (JWT)

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Just War Theory (JWT)

Postby Ryan » Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:19 pm

Do you think a war can be just? If so, how? If not, why?
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Re: Just War Theory (JWT)

Postby Ryan » Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:27 pm

Here are some principles of Just War Theory:

Just Cause
Competent Authority
Right Intention
Last Resort (Military Necessity)
Probability of Success
Proportionality
Discriminacy
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Re: Just War Theory (JWT)

Postby Breacher01 » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:03 pm

Almost always two opposing sides think they fight a just cause.

Its inherent to the religious, righteousness and other belief system in their/our/any ones culture.
Basically a war is most often a clash between cultures, but a conflict is always caused by different morals, laws and some degree of hate.

If you believe your cause is just, opposed to the other side you might call your war justified. If opposing forces would share the same ideology, culture or cause there wouldn't be a reason to fight, right?
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Re: Just War Theory (JWT)

Postby Ryan » Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:00 am

The ambiguity of the terms used and what each means is one of the problems with just war theory.

I asked this question to someone before: imagine for a second that you are high in the Hindu Kush Mountains of Afghanistan fighting off a Soviet Invasion. You are strapped and armed, ready to defend your village. Is your mere presence there justly deserved? Is it your right as an Afghani to defend land and nation? If yes, therefore, in a limited capacity, defending oneself in a violent way is just.

Now have captured a member of the enemy force. Your unit wants to 'behead' the captive to 'heal the breast' of believers. Is this just? Your religious friends think so. Suddenly you are transgressing the limits of some kind of natural rights like self-defence to imposing personal moral dogmas over others. But to you this is a just cause. And that is part and parcel of the problem, it all comes down to interpretation. Some self-proclaimed sheikh in your unit could be a 'competent authority' for example.

The latter situation actually happened by the way. Abdullah Azzam and the early Mujahideen movements in Afghanistan thought it just to behead captives to 'heal' their 'breast.' Flawed morality projected upon others ultimately means or leads to injustice.

Violence is not curtailed by those factors though: same ideology, culture, etc. But would they feel more or less justified doing it to one another? :lol: Especially on a large enough scale - a war? Would other factors have to creep in place before war could be waged - e.g. money, politics?
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Re: Just War Theory (JWT)

Postby Breacher01 » Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:24 am

Ryan wrote:The ambiguity of the terms used and what each means is one of the problems with just war theory.

I asked this question to someone before: imagine for a second that you are high in the Hindu Kush Mountains of Afghanistan fighting off a Soviet Invasion. You are strapped and armed, ready to defend your village. Is your mere presence there justly deserved? Is it your right as an Afghani to defend land and nation? If yes, therefore, in a limited capacity, defending oneself in a violent way is just.


That's a good example, because defending the land your people have lived for generations is often seen as 'just'. Of course your forefathers most likely conquered the land from some other people...

Another thing to keep in mind is the fact the soviets failed to take afghanistan years ago, but now NATO forces are trying to control the country. I believe most of us here think there is a difference between the Soviet invasion, and the western occupation, but the afghan people do not. Trust me, I've been there.

Ryan wrote:Now have captured a member of the enemy force. Your unit wants to 'behead' the captive to 'heal the breast' of believers. Is this just? Your religious friends think so. Suddenly you are transgressing the limits of some kind of natural rights like self-defence to imposing personal moral dogmas over others. But to you this is a just cause. And that is part and parcel of the problem, it all comes down to interpretation. Some self-proclaimed sheikh in your unit could be a 'competent authority' for example.

The latter situation actually happened by the way. Abdullah Azzam and the early Mujahideen movements in Afghanistan thought it just to behead captives to 'heal' their 'breast.' Flawed morality projected upon others ultimately means or leads to injustice.


In our eyes that's flawed morality. We fight for resources(under the flag of human rights), they fight for religious reasons.

Invading Afghanistan and Irak because some middle eastern people, funded by Saudi extremists is not a just war by any stretch of imagination in my opinion.

Ryan wrote:Violence is not curtailed by those factors though: same ideology, culture, etc. But would they feel more or less justified doing it to one another? :lol: Especially on a large enough scale - a war? Would other factors have to creep in place before war could be waged - e.g. money, politics?


Fear, basically.
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