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Tactical diagramming 2

Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:50 am
by jimothy_183
By jimothy_183 at 2008-06-12

Heres a nice house in Australia.

Let the analysis begin.

P.S: sorry for the unoriginal name.

Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:41 pm
by Jack
Limited avenues of approach. Again the front door looks good. I'm assuming that there are bars on every window around the house. If this is true, then it is a blessing and a curse. On the down side, it limits the realistic entry points. On the good side it limits the avenues of escape the bad guy has, which limits the number of operators that need to be placed in cover positions on the outside.

The problems is that the limited avenues of approach force you to move through a predictable route. You could definitely hide behind the wall, which is on the left of the photo, and maybe use it as a route of approach to the back of the house. But it is concealment only and not cover.

Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:48 pm
by Jack
Looks like there is a small yard in the back, but the tall fence is behind it. The fence in the very back would provide good concealment for a team, but would be difficult to climb over. This definitely is not the nicest house in this neighborhood. Maybe three or four rooms in the house.

Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:45 pm
by jimothy_183
There is a hallway when you enter the front door, how wide is that hallway? Will the team have room to manuver after making entry? And what kind of room are the front two rooms of the house going to be?
Jake wrote:This definitely is not the nicest house in this neighborhood.
heh heh heh, I said it was a nice house, not the nicest. :lol:

P.S: I got more photos of this house, want me to post them or would you want to see them later?

Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:17 am
by Jack
Post the other pictures.

Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:33 am
by jimothy_183
here you go

By the way, what do you think in my choice of the house? Like I mean do you think I could have have picked a better one?

Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:41 am
by Jack
Wow, that house looks totally different inside. The back looks better than the front. I don't see much that would alter or change my opinion. You definitely want to own the back yard before he dose.

Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:54 am
by jimothy_183
Although I do think both that when entering through the front and back entrances it becomes rather cramped don't you think?

Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:59 pm
by Jack
Yea. I kind of expected that though.

Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:39 am
by jimothy_183
Apparently there are supposed to be 3 bedrooms in the house. I remember one of my relatives owning a house where there is an extra bedroom located next to the kitchen, of which is located in the back like the house in this topic here. So I think that the third bedroom is located behind the cameraman in the picture of the kitchen.

Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:10 am
by Jack
Clearing the house wouldn't take long so that's good. You really can't get away from tight places in CQB.

Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 5:24 am
by jimothy_183
Also the structure of the house is pretty linear isn't it?

Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 11:06 pm
by Jack
Again, pros and cons. On the plus side, it is easy to cover all threats from one position, but the negative is that it is a fatal funnel waiting to happen.

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:46 am
by birddog
Are the front and rear doors solid core wood or metal, what kind of jambs are in place ? Is there any type of roof access ? Is there a basement/sub basement ? can the power be cut without the TANGO's seeing you ? Are the window bars secured from the inside or outside ? can a floor plan be obtained from the county ? what are the risks of civilian casualties if shooting escalates outside of the dwelling ? These are questions that we in the Cavalry ask before we enter any dwelling.

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:31 am
by Jack
Good questions Birddog and welcome to the forum. I think this is a good drill. Should we consider making these drills scenario based. After all, it makes a bid difference if there are three armed terrorists inside with AKs and hostages in a hostile country, rather than a sneak and peak operations or a covert entry in the us. Or it could be an airsoft game. There are definitely different thing that are important in the picture for each type of operation. Although I kind of like keeping the drill simple. Your thoughts?

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:42 am
by birddog
I agree.....I just have been trained to think out side of the box...unconventional thinking

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:48 am
by Jack
Which part to you agree with? The,"Lets keep it simple" or "Scenario based"?

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:54 am
by birddog
I think the "Scenario Base" is more realistic. It gives the team(s) the opertunity to create options and the all important back-up plan.

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:56 am
by Jack
I sure that would help keep everyone on the same page if they were scenario based.

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:59 am
by birddog
absolutly. And if they study the pics...I am sure that they will see more details than I did and I only spent a few seconds on each picture.