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Recce Organisational Structures

Post by Ryan » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:29 am

Recce teams get very low in comparison with fighting patrols, i.e. 8, 4, 2 man recce teams. The Chinese use 2 man pretty heavily, way less footprint.

Any actual information on these structures such as what roles are involved? Recce are highly skilled and trained so it's not going to be a normal FT - TL, Grenadier, AR, Rifleman.
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Re: Recce Organisational Structures

Post by Ryan » Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:02 am

"Most of the comments here show a fundamental lack of understanding of the role of Recce at Battalion level. Close Recce units, such as a Battalion's organic Recce platoon, conduct close target reconnaissance as the eyes and ears of the CO. At company level, a Company commander will at most receive a Recce section, and possibly a sniper section. Other ISTAR assets available for a Company deliberate operation would be UAV, and possibly some second-line reporting from Battalion or Brigade assets such as the Recce platoon, brigade pathfinders etc.

The phases of a Battalion level operation to conduct a Company attack would be as follows:

1) ISTAR Soak of the objective consisting of layered UAV, photo reconnaissance by the Recce platoon etc.

2) Recce platoon conduct Close Target Recce, getting as close as possible to the enemy positions in order to identify maneuver corridors, avenues of approach for friendly forces, accurate enemy dispositions including weapon emplacements, the degree of fortification etc. Everything from the equipment on the position, an assessment on the serviceability of that equipment to the morale of the enemy troops. Sentry positions etc. Recce platoon conducts CTR at night.

3) Snipers deploy before first light to take over stand-off OPs from Recce. Snipers conduct surveillance during day light in order to add to the Recce report. Snipers are the only forces able to conduct close target Recce in daylight due to their training in stalking and camouflage. Snipers provide real-time feeds to Battalion HQ to inform COs plan. It's the snipers that plot initial fires information, not a magic FO that deploys in a magic non-infantry Recce team that doesn't exist.

4) Mortar Fire Conintentionally being an assholeers MAY deploy forward to OP prior to H-hour.

5) Recce have since moved back (before first light, after handing over to snipers) and brief company commander face to face back at the Battalion HQ. The Coy OC has been working on his plan all night, and factors in any information from the Recce before backbriefing the CO on his plan. Snipers are still providing real time feeds.

6) It's dark again... Recce are back on the objective, waiting at an FMUP they have Recce'd and selected for the rifle company. The rifle company marches to the FUP. Recce position the units of the company in the FUP and prior to H-hour guide the rifle platoons to their objectives.

7) H-hour, kill cunts etc. Snipers engage on H-hour, mortars inbound, fix bayonets and roll the positions.


The process takes anything from 24-48 hours... If it was an independent company group operation, You'd have a single Recce team and a sniper section. That's 4-6 Recce guys, and 3 sniper pairs. Process is the same but condensed. The Recce element would conduct CTR with overwatch from the snipers. But the recce's main job is to find the enemy, get the snipers on target to conduct the surveillance, then move back to Recce the approach route and mark FUPs, fire support locations etc. a good Recce report should tell the company commander exactly where to place his machine guns, javelins etc etc.

The FOO is probably the same rank as the Company commander, is technically second in command of the combined arms group, and stays with the company commander at all times. The FOO advises the company commander on the use of fires. There will be individual FOs attached to each rifle platoon, and one attached to the fire support group. There's your FIST, not away on their own playing infantry. All snipers can call for fire too, so they are integrated in to the fire plan. The Recce section probably joins the lead rifle platoon as guides at this point.

H-hour minus 3 - Recce group consisting of 6 Recce soldiers, and a 6-man Sniper section. Probably orbatted so two snipers overwatch two Recce guys. Recce conduct CTR.
H-hour minus 1 - Rifle Company Command Group logs on to server. Recce section located at LUP, Snipers eyes on objective. Recce report sent over net. Command Group plan. Constant feed from snipers. Once Recce report is sent, Recce conduct route recces and additional tasks such as probing obstacle belts or whatever.
H-hour minus 30m - Fighting troops log on to server. Briefed at base location as per a real orders group. Company command group briefs platoon commanders and sergeants plus attachments. Recce moves back to RV with company at a designate RV, leads them to FUP and places units in respective FUP positions. Final brief with CO in FUP.
H-hour - Kill cunts etc.

If you want realistic Recce, be prepared for a night long event. Recce takes longer than the actual attack ever does."
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Re: Recce Organisational Structures

Post by jimothy_183 » Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:39 am

Ryan wrote: If you want realistic Recce, be prepared for a night long event. Recce takes longer than the actual attack ever does."
100% true. I remember someone once told me that it took him and his team 2 hours to move just 50m all in order to avoid detection. So you can imagine how much discipline and patience is required for these types of missions in order to merely survive.
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Re: Recce Organisational Structures

Post by Breacher01 » Sat Aug 13, 2016 2:11 pm

jimothy_183 wrote:
Ryan wrote: If you want realistic Recce, be prepared for a night long event. Recce takes longer than the actual attack ever does."
100% true. I remember someone once told me that it took him and his team 2 hours to move just 50m all in order to avoid detection. So you can imagine how much discipline and patience is required for these types of missions in order to merely survive.
a sniper/spotter team is an excellent recon resource. but I also heard stories about teams hardly moving for days, while eating drinking etc.(use your imagination) in a forward position. It is possibly the exact opposite of a dynamic cqb intervention. I prefer 9-bangers over laying in the dirt anytime.

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